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Former good articleSoviet Union was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Schwede66 talk 17:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vertical flag of the USSR.
Vertical flag of the USSR.
  • ... that Source: Boris Yeltsin came into power on July 10, 1991?
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Created by 342rfawrfarefarwf (talk). Self-nominated at 18:03, 9 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Soviet Union; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2024

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Link Head of State Mikhail Gorbachev to article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev in right column. Dbinoj (talk) 04:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's already linked in a prior mention under Leader. Per MOS:OVERLINK we tend not to repeatedly link each mention of a person or article Cannolis (talk) 04:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2024

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This is Congress and not Soviet 2A02:2378:108E:9EA5:84:B762:A05:B9DE (talk) 19:30, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. LizardJr8 (talk) 19:49, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to government

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It's complicated to open this up with words; so I'll instead show it on the right.

Soviet Union
GovernmentFederal Marxist-Leninist one-party socialist republic
(under a Stalinist dictatorship)

It stands to reason that the time when Stalin ruled as dictator should be highlighted. My only problem is that exactly when it can be considered that Stalin became a dictator is complex, and since having a sub-government like that requires a date, something has to be decided upon.

I've decided upon four dates as proposals:

  • 1928, after the United Opposition was expelled from the Communist Party and Trotsky's exile
  • 1930, when "open criticism of Stalin ... was virtually non-existent"
  • 1934, precursor to the Great Purge
  • 1936, the start of the Great Purge
  • 1938, when the Great Purge was completed

Please let me know which date you think would work best. I would vote myself for 1930 or 1928. TheodoresTomfooleries (talk) 07:41, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We need specific citations to reliable sources justifying any periodization we use anywhere in the article. Remsense ‥ 论 07:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems excessive for this context. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:57, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typo

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CPSU not CPCU 2404:4402:1E38:B600:F5D1:2EF:3053:EF69 (talk) 05:18, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed Remsense ‥ 论 05:26, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mind if I add one more anthem?

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The anthem being the Stalinist version of the anthem before the post-1977 version. Rager7 (talk) 05:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it can really be justified for any one {{Infobox country}} to house more than one anthem. They take up way too much room. Remsense ‥ 论 05:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Really? It just clutters the anthem section of the info box? Rager7 (talk) 05:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it takes up too much room generally. The less an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose. The anthem section is never not taking up a lot of vertical room by default, and it pushes much of the rest down the page. More than one is egregious to me. Consider placement in the article body, maybe.Remsense ‥ 论 05:43, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So, if I put the Stalinist anthem somewhere in the main article it would be acceptable, right? Rager7 (talk) 05:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there's a good place to put it. If there's not, then it wouldn't be good to include in the article—we don't have to, and should not, feel the need to include things in encyclopedia articles that simply aren't important. Remsense ‥ 论 05:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand, this is more of a nitpick rather than a necessary change. If people want to learn about some country's anthem, then they should have the opportunity and passion to do so. Rager7 (talk) 05:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are many Wikipedia articles which give more than one anthem. For historical ones, Nazi Germany is the first to come to mind. For current countries, theres Denmark and New Zealand. Only giving one is against common convention, and also they barely take up that much space dude EarthDude (talk) 19:27, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EarthDude Are you responding to Remsense or me? Rager7 (talk) 19:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My previous message was a response to Remsense EarthDude (talk) 20:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, it's weird how he only wants one anthem per country. Rager7 (talk) 20:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ya. Looking at the article history, the page has always had both of the anthems, before Remsense removed the second one some days ago without consensus. I added it back tho. Very weird EarthDude (talk) 21:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I was the opposite I wanted a third anthem to be added as you can see the conversation above. Rager7 (talk) 23:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there should be an investigation in the sources. If one is not as important as the other, it should not be taking up this precious space. If they are both judged in posterity to be equally important, then it would be permissible. Remsense ‥ 论 23:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The various discrepancies, myths, and contradictions on the USSR's page

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I've quickly analized the USSR's wiki page and started noticing a bunch of misinformation so i've made a research paper over the course of 3 days. The first contradiction i found was how the wiki keeps stating that the government was highly centralized even going so far as to say that the Politburo ("a small group of politically elite men") is the only government body that actually makes the key decisions. What the wiki also has pages for are the many many other legislative, governing, and CPSU bodies which are the following:

The congress of the communist party, the central committee of the communist party, the secretariat of the central committee, the Orgburo which preceded the secretariat of the central committee, the CEC, the supreme soviet, the soviet of the union, the soviet of nationalities, and more.

The next common myth I found was how the USSR is called a communist state. For those who are uneducated on the topic, the definition of comunism can be simplified to 1 simple sentence. As written in the communist manifesto by Marx himself, "The abolition of STATE and (private) property" making the term "communist state" a simple contradiction. The USSR, instead, was a socialist country for most of its lifetime.

Now is the soviet famine of 1930-1933, including the holodomor. These events are described as a man-made famine which is absolutely laughable in the face of the following fact: The holodomor happened because of poor logistics combined with one of the harshest winters to hit europe yet and the Kulaks (ex-landlords who resisted the USSR by attacking and killing red army soldiers aswell as police officers, burning their own crops, letting their grain rot on purpose, etc.). If Stalin really wanted to kill a bunch of people for literally no given reason except "he's evil, DUH" he'd just shoot them like he did during the great purge since that takes up way less time and asks far less resources. Additionally, no one ever does anything just because they're evil. Even Hitler committed a mountain of atrocities under the illusion of racial supremacy.

Next is the forming of the Warsaw pact. The wiki says that it formed as a reaction to the rebranding of the Capitalist Bloc to NATO which is not true either. When NATO was formed, the USSR proposed to join and was even willing to reform if necessary but, of course, a certain freedom-loving nation declined this proposal after which the USSR formed the Warsaw Pact. In fact, the Capitalist Bloc formed as a reaction to the spread of "socialism" into eastern and central europe.

Next up is how the USSR is described as a totalitarian state. The wiki states that for a state to be totalitarian it must prohibit political opposition parties, it must disregard and outlaw the political claims of individual and group opposition to the state, and must controll the public and private spheres of society. The USSR fails to meet 2 of these criteria, the first being the disregarding of the political claims of individual or group opposition to the state. The USSR did outlaw these claims but rarely failed to assess them, even using them to their advantage in political and propaganda campaigns. The USSR also did not controll all spheres of public and private society. There was no racial discrimination from the state, however, a lot of the russian population did have a list of certain taboos. There was also complete religous and sexual freedom, allowing people to believe in what they want and fall in love with any gender they want.

Lastly, i'd like to note that anything on the wiki page that comes from a source that claims that Stalin was a dictator should be removed. As CIA documents reveal (which were released to the public in the late 2000's), Stalin was in fact not a dictator but merely the captain of a team and the only reason westerners think Stalin was a dictator is because of a general lack of understanding (probably a by-product from the cold war). Sources that claim lies that were fed by a cold war should be disregarded, atleast on this wiki page. Not doing so would be an insult to what Wikipedia stands for: Neutrality in their articles. It's not like no one uses the Wiki in a debate or conversation anymore because its reputation has been reduced to a place of vandalism or anything. *wink wink* Person who composes with language (talk) 16:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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